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any hervey bay locals here....i was at that park recently...i notice the rubber finish next to the park....its like that mc donalds playground shit...how would i go about gettin that done to our local
Pre-emptive strike? Hey Klips, since you don't skate, you obviously have no idea of the damage caused by bikers at weston (my local). If you could actually ride and do a grind you would notice that the coping is now dented badly from pegs which throws you off and reduces speed and control, it's fucked. It's worst on the small quarter wall but can be felt in the mini and parts of the bowl. Also you should look at the hole in the concrete of the flat bottom of weston near the fun box as well as having a good look at the dint in the flatbar rail again caused by bike pegs.
You say we should all pay more so everyone can use it? Well fuck that, get your own shit bikers, we fucken did. You're missing the point.
Mouth shut kook. What are you doing there anyway if you don't bike or skate? lurking and taking photos of kids? That's just weird.
Totally uncalled for Lucky Phil. Unlike you, Kilps was talking a lot of sense. The was no need for you to try and slander him just because you disagree with his point of view. Its people with attitudes like yours who get skaters such a bad name and make it difficult for the rest of us to get skateparks built. Grow up.
For the actual concrete side of things, as was mentioned some builders do it right and some take the lazy approach and it really does show in the days, months and years to follow.
1. Coping is put down straight after digging and reinforcing.
2. Flat tops / platforms are usually the first concrete to go in, so there will always be concrete bits dangling directly under the coping and right behind it.
3. If these dags of concrete are not chipped away and then the face is just put in, there is often not more than a few cm sometimes even mm of face of concrete just under the coping which will be very weak and come away easily, regardless of bmx, skate or whatever (like M. Mulhall's point)
4. Some builders, especially for those parks in our areas like Springfield, Redbank, and now the Riverview parks do a good job with the concrete finish, but they do not make the coping sit proud up and out from the concrete, which will almost always cause bike and skate damage to the concrete itself above and under the coping. This is an issue which we have tried to bring up with them over and over again, but they seem not to be able to do it right or just don't care (is it non skaters building parks which they will never ride so they don't understand??).
Trans Am - the best thing to do with this is just use concrete bond it or other Scott Spring type wonder substance and just bog the damage and hope for the best. It has been done successfully at Kuraby and lots of other places, but is costly and dangerous if not done right / if they put too much in and not finish it correctly or have joins which still bump like a footpath when you roll down it.
As per Phil and other's comments specifically about coping, unfortunately there is nothing we can do to prevent bmx pegs causing damage to the grindable face edge on the coping, short of physical removal of bmx riders from the parks (which to me is not an option) so it will always be the sorest point when I turn up at a park and find that what was once nice smooth grindable coping has been reduced to a mashed and dangerous sharp edge like some parks I go to.
Even options like use super heavy duty steel or fill it with concrete or other options seem not to really work that well, and sadly for those parks which have concrete coping put in, the life of the edge if not looked after is about a month or even less (eg the new Bribie bowl)
Some of you seemed to have missed the blatantly obvious point I tried to make earlier.
SKATEparks are designed and built for SKATEboards.
We sould go around to all the dirt bmx tracks/jumps and practice pogo's in the most appropriate place. Y'know, give 'em a taste of their own medicine. That'll learn the two wheelin' bastards!
Not really.
Trans Am, you're probably right and that was a bit harsh. But if I wanted to hear a non-skaters view....I can always go to a council meeting.
Nikeem is right, they are built for us so why do we need to keep pandering to BMX's?
companys like sk8con reinforce all bare edges (as much as budget covers) with square pipe to stop that type of chipping.
I guess budgets will have to increase to allow flatbar to be placed above and below all coping.
As far as stopping coping from being dented ,chiped, I have no ideas.
LUCKY PHILS ON THE MONEY.
'Trans Am, you're probably right and that was a bit harsh. But if I wanted to hear a non-skaters view....I can always go to a council meeting.'
"If you could actually ride and do a grind you would notice that the coping is now dented badly from pegs which throws you off and reduces speed and control, it's fucked. It's worst on the small quarter wall but can be felt in the mini and parts of the bowl. Also you should look at the hole in the concrete of the flat bottom of weston near the fun box as well as having a good look at the dint in the flatbar rail again caused by bike pegs."
Now that I know what to look for, I'll check it out. I hadn't realised that small variations in the coping would throw off grinds, otherwise I would have noted them.
"You say we should all pay more so everyone can use it? Well fuck that, get your own shit bikers, we fucken did. You're missing the point."
I'm saying everyone (including bikers) should think about ways to make the shit you both ride stronger so that everyone can use it without skaters wanting bikers out of 'their' parks. Besides, you think that it would cost a lot more to keep the park a bit better? only 12 grand a year is spent on keeping weston in shape, surely it wouldn't cost much more to keep it in much better condition. Hell, the ACT government said that they have made savings of $35 MILLION on "agency-based savings", how hard could it be to write a proposal to get an extra $10,000 a year plus a $40,000 refurbishment to fix any bent coping and cracked concrete.
"What are you doing there anyway if you don't bike or skate? lurking and taking photos of kids? That's just weird."
I'm a skate/bike photographer. Don't believe me? www.klips.deviantart.com, I know it's not amazing shit and that it doesn't comply with the current 'in' style of skate photography because I can't afford three IR flashes, but it's what I do for fun.
Finally, let me say that I'm not trying to be all pro-bike and skater-hater and whatever. I know this shit sucks, that it ruins a park for you guys and you're rightfully shitty about it. What I'm trying to do is get people to see what positive things they can do, rather than just blame someone and try to exclude them.
Peace,
Klips
what the did at jindabynne was run an edger along the coping when the concrete was wet and their is no damage their as of yet looks neater aswell
the only thing i could ever see happening is changing the material used for BMX pegs. perhaps to a softer metal used for trucks or something even lighter.
yeah i know display name i'm mates with heaps of bmxr's in here in devonport and launie and hobart too. and they all pretty much don't go out of their way to damage ledges etc. most of the time here in tas (that i know of) it's the inexperienced bmxr's that try to do feebles and double peg grinds etc and miss the copin' / angle iron and hit the concrete below it. ...
<<i waits for the hate>>.
im not sure that i agree skateparks are only for skateboards. bmxers often have an imput on the design, and they help to campaign for the park to the council.
if they were to build skateparks just for bmxers, can you honestly say you wouldnt skate them?
i think banning pegs isnt too bad of an idea.
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BMX peg damage to skatepark concrete
IMG... 12:04 05/Feb/07
any hervey bay locals here....i was at that park recently...i notice the rubber finish next to the park....its like that mc donalds playground shit...how would i go about gettin that done to our local
Lucky Phil 13:32 05/Feb/07
Pre-emptive strike? Hey Klips, since you don't skate, you obviously have no idea of the damage caused by bikers at weston (my local). If you could actually ride and do a grind you would notice that the coping is now dented badly from pegs which throws you off and reduces speed and control, it's fucked. It's worst on the small quarter wall but can be felt in the mini and parts of the bowl. Also you should look at the hole in the concrete of the flat bottom of weston near the fun box as well as having a good look at the dint in the flatbar rail again caused by bike pegs.
You say we should all pay more so everyone can use it? Well fuck that, get your own shit bikers, we fucken did. You're missing the point.
Mouth shut kook. What are you doing there anyway if you don't bike or skate? lurking and taking photos of kids? That's just weird.
Trans Am 21:13 05/Feb/07
Totally uncalled for Lucky Phil. Unlike you, Kilps was talking a lot of sense. The was no need for you to try and slander him just because you disagree with his point of view. Its people with attitudes like yours who get skaters such a bad name and make it difficult for the rest of us to get skateparks built. Grow up.
Mark Brimson 22:35 05/Feb/07
For the actual concrete side of things, as was mentioned some builders do it right and some take the lazy approach and it really does show in the days, months and years to follow.
1. Coping is put down straight after digging and reinforcing.
2. Flat tops / platforms are usually the first concrete to go in, so there will always be concrete bits dangling directly under the coping and right behind it.
3. If these dags of concrete are not chipped away and then the face is just put in, there is often not more than a few cm sometimes even mm of face of concrete just under the coping which will be very weak and come away easily, regardless of bmx, skate or whatever (like M. Mulhall's point)
4. Some builders, especially for those parks in our areas like Springfield, Redbank, and now the Riverview parks do a good job with the concrete finish, but they do not make the coping sit proud up and out from the concrete, which will almost always cause bike and skate damage to the concrete itself above and under the coping. This is an issue which we have tried to bring up with them over and over again, but they seem not to be able to do it right or just don't care (is it non skaters building parks which they will never ride so they don't understand??).
Trans Am - the best thing to do with this is just use concrete bond it or other Scott Spring type wonder substance and just bog the damage and hope for the best. It has been done successfully at Kuraby and lots of other places, but is costly and dangerous if not done right / if they put too much in and not finish it correctly or have joins which still bump like a footpath when you roll down it.
As per Phil and other's comments specifically about coping, unfortunately there is nothing we can do to prevent bmx pegs causing damage to the grindable face edge on the coping, short of physical removal of bmx riders from the parks (which to me is not an option) so it will always be the sorest point when I turn up at a park and find that what was once nice smooth grindable coping has been reduced to a mashed and dangerous sharp edge like some parks I go to.
Even options like use super heavy duty steel or fill it with concrete or other options seem not to really work that well, and sadly for those parks which have concrete coping put in, the life of the edge if not looked after is about a month or even less (eg the new Bribie bowl)
NIKEEEM 23:01 05/Feb/07
Some of you seemed to have missed the blatantly obvious point I tried to make earlier.
SKATEparks are designed and built for SKATEboards.
Mr Fox 23:07 05/Feb/07
We sould go around to all the dirt bmx tracks/jumps and practice pogo's in the most appropriate place. Y'know, give 'em a taste of their own medicine. That'll learn the two wheelin' bastards!
Not really.
Lucky Phil 00:16 06/Feb/07
Trans Am, you're probably right and that was a bit harsh. But if I wanted to hear a non-skaters view....I can always go to a council meeting.
Nikeem is right, they are built for us so why do we need to keep pandering to BMX's?
GREASED UP DEAF GUY 00:36 06/Feb/07
companys like sk8con reinforce all bare edges (as much as budget covers) with square pipe to stop that type of chipping.
I guess budgets will have to increase to allow flatbar to be placed above and below all coping.
As far as stopping coping from being dented ,chiped, I have no ideas.
LUCKY PHILS ON THE MONEY.
'Trans Am, you're probably right and that was a bit harsh. But if I wanted to hear a non-skaters view....I can always go to a council meeting.'
Klips 07:43 06/Feb/07
"If you could actually ride and do a grind you would notice that the coping is now dented badly from pegs which throws you off and reduces speed and control, it's fucked. It's worst on the small quarter wall but can be felt in the mini and parts of the bowl. Also you should look at the hole in the concrete of the flat bottom of weston near the fun box as well as having a good look at the dint in the flatbar rail again caused by bike pegs."
Now that I know what to look for, I'll check it out. I hadn't realised that small variations in the coping would throw off grinds, otherwise I would have noted them.
"You say we should all pay more so everyone can use it? Well fuck that, get your own shit bikers, we fucken did. You're missing the point."
I'm saying everyone (including bikers) should think about ways to make the shit you both ride stronger so that everyone can use it without skaters wanting bikers out of 'their' parks. Besides, you think that it would cost a lot more to keep the park a bit better? only 12 grand a year is spent on keeping weston in shape, surely it wouldn't cost much more to keep it in much better condition. Hell, the ACT government said that they have made savings of $35 MILLION on "agency-based savings", how hard could it be to write a proposal to get an extra $10,000 a year plus a $40,000 refurbishment to fix any bent coping and cracked concrete.
"What are you doing there anyway if you don't bike or skate? lurking and taking photos of kids? That's just weird."
I'm a skate/bike photographer. Don't believe me? www.klips.deviantart.com, I know it's not amazing shit and that it doesn't comply with the current 'in' style of skate photography because I can't afford three IR flashes, but it's what I do for fun.
Finally, let me say that I'm not trying to be all pro-bike and skater-hater and whatever. I know this shit sucks, that it ruins a park for you guys and you're rightfully shitty about it. What I'm trying to do is get people to see what positive things they can do, rather than just blame someone and try to exclude them.
Peace,
Klips
Greenwood 10:47 06/Feb/07
what the did at jindabynne was run an edger along the coping when the concrete was wet and their is no damage their as of yet looks neater aswell
sorry 12:10 06/Feb/07
the only thing i could ever see happening is changing the material used for BMX pegs. perhaps to a softer metal used for trucks or something even lighter.
Ando Da Rezza 06:41 07/Feb/07
yeah i know display name i'm mates with heaps of bmxr's in here in devonport and launie and hobart too. and they all pretty much don't go out of their way to damage ledges etc. most of the time here in tas (that i know of) it's the inexperienced bmxr's that try to do feebles and double peg grinds etc and miss the copin' / angle iron and hit the concrete below it. ...
<<i waits for the hate>>.
el jacko 08:27 07/Feb/07
im not sure that i agree skateparks are only for skateboards. bmxers often have an imput on the design, and they help to campaign for the park to the council.
if they were to build skateparks just for bmxers, can you honestly say you wouldnt skate them?
i think banning pegs isnt too bad of an idea.
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